The US's policy has always been to never negotiate with terrorists, and we're not. we're letting them own us. By obeying their every demand because of possible violence, they control us. ANd shouldn't our government have been able to catch these bastards that managed to work themselves onto OUR SOIL without so much as a slap on the wrist?
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I think that's South Park's standpoint exactly as well. So long as you give them their way in the face of their threats, the situation will only get worse.
As far as the people who made these particular threats, word is that it is being closely investigated by the NYPD and that the FBI is at least aware of the whole situation. Exactly what that means I have no idea haha.
I was more upset for Pip.
I know, that totally took me by surprise. With everything else going on in the episode I was like "Wait, did that just happen?"
I look forward to a day without religion. I do not care what you believe in, but when it leads to threats thrown out because your "prophet" is shown then it is obviously a problem. The whole reason why Islam does not want people to show muhamed is because they want people worshiping god instead of him, we do not even know what he looks like. So why would we worship him? In my opinion I think religion is brainwashing to control the mass population and to gain power and money thats why this all seems really stupid to me, but you dont have to share my views.
The fact that you say "you don't have to share my views," makes your views completely viable and respectable in my opinion.
I personally think that no matter what people think of religion, or what people believe to be true, the bottom line is that when treated properly it can do a lot of good. It can help people come back from dark times in their lives and bring together communities to do great things.
It's when you start to draw lines between beliefs, force the rules and structures of your beliefs and use them as a reason to hate rather than a reason to care that things get dangerous.
I think everyone needs to calm down and remember that this is a satirical show. Its their job to make fun of people and be controversial. People just need to take it with a grain of salt.
It is true that they lampoon everyone equally. It's hard to take into consideration when they are challenging something you believe strongly or even (in the case of many hollywood elite) you personally, but they have always stuck to their philosophy of "everyone and everything is fair game," and I honestly don't see that stopping even in light of these recent developments.
So your on who's side? I say that their taking it too far. What do you think?
I'm honestly on both sides. To explain I would say that I totally believe in Stone and Parker's rights to free speech and as an entertainer I would hate the idea of having my creative output limited in any way. I also completely agree with their views that giving in to violent threats will only make the situation worse and is definitely not the proper reason to censor ones self.
I do however think that people in the public eye do have a certain amount of responsibility to respect the people their messages may be reaching. By that I don't mean that everyone in the public eye should avoid lampooning that which they don't see as right, or that they should try to be P.C. all the time, but they should simply be aware of what they are saying and putting out to their public. I don't think it's right to broadcast outright hateful thoughts or ideas. Although I do think that all people should have the right to think and say such things, I hope for a future where people have the respect and kindness to refrain from such unnecessary sentiments.
That said, I do not think the South Park crew was irresponsible in their message, they were right on target in trying to say that we as a whole society shouldn't give in to people just because they are making violent threats. I do however think that some of the Danish cartoons that started the whole controversy a few years ago were an outright abuse of free speech, and although they did not deserve to be met with threats of violence, they were irresponsible in the way that they were only meant to hurt and insult.
I guess in the end I believe that it is actually an issue of respect and responsibility on both sides. Those producing the offensive material should have had better knowledge of who and what they were portraying, and those offended should have gone about making their point in a clear and responsible manor.
I for one watch 200 and 201. And you know what! I don't think they should of beeped out Muhamed! I mean they made Buddha snort crack! They made Jesus a prevert! They made Moses a little retarded! They made a mean joke about everyone BUT Muhamed! Also, Muhamed never was in that bear costume! So they were offended for nothing!! I mean this is a really dumb thing to make death threats for! Also, they beeped the speech that Kyle, Jesus, and Santa made about not being afriad to be who you are and not to be intimidated! ...
I know. The censorship really seemed like an over reaction on the part of Comedy Central. I really want to see if the original version ever gets released in any form.
If find it strange how these extremists insult their own religion with outbursts like these. In Qoran, it teaches more love thy neighbor than kill infidels. With these groups, they take the small passages that say all those who seek to destroy Allah should be removed, and twist it with anger for whichever reason they see fit to twist them with. I won't claim I know this as a fact, just information I had picked up over slight research on the subject.
The right to speak one's mind is something that should never be taken away, from anyone. So who are we to say that these groups shouldn't be allowed to threaten based on that fact alone? The only time it is an issue is when they actually act upon their words. Then their actions impede on other human rights, like the right to live.
Yeah not all of the things I see on the show I would like to see, but I don't demand to have them take out mormon jokes because I might be offended<-- Me being mormon. I understand their right to do so(and it is actually pretty funny).
Can't we all just... get along? Group hug anyone? :D
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It's a tricky subject to handle because it has to do with religion. It reminds me of what the director of the movie, 2012, said about not destroying the Kaaba (an Islamic landmark) in the movie. He said that it's ok to say what you will or do what you will with your own religion, but when you start handling other people's beliefs that way, things start to get personal.
The problem is the Matt and Trey Parker show little to no sensitivity towards other people's beliefs, and that could potentially lead to problems for them. It has been a problem for them in the past (i.e. the episode which made fun of Scientology). GreyGreySilver makes a good point about the idea of a kid being teased at school and decides to bring a gun the next day out of anger. What if an extremist group decided to take action against the writers of South Park? What if their attempts at sending a message killed people who were involved in the show or mere bystanders?
It is a very tricky subject to discuss, but a little sensitivity never hurt anyone.
This is just low, you know? Are terrorists running out of stuff to be mad about, or what? A cartoon who's nature is to test the censor bar and really make use of the freedom of speech we all love should not have to change because of these people. Matt and Trey have never intended to personally threat the religion or any of the people that follow it. Granted, Matt and Trey are going to get some guff for putting out toons that really provoke political correctness values, but who is in the wrong here... Artistic expression or hate-inspired threats of homicide? Comedy Central is gonna need some help in dealing with this, because rights are being infringed upon here.
ofc they should be allowed to express, let them fight for freedom of speech.
in 2023, its not that deep. its funny
Guidodinho
I think that the muslim extremists should think of the point made in the episode first before threatening the creators. I mean, if i'd be a muslim i don't think i would like it. And the points that are being made in south park aren't exactly presented in the most friendly way possible. But they DO make a point and it makes sence. Gives you something to think about, it's just presented in the way south park does. It's meant to be entertainment after all.
And most important, i think people shouldn't take their relegion too seriously, and not only the muslims. I mean, if you start threatening or even killing people because of your relegion, aren't you doing the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do as a religious person? O_o
Religion can be a good thing. But you should use your religion for your life. You shouldn't use your life for your religion. If you know what i mean ;)
sirjeffofshort
Your last point is very well made indeed. Not that your other points fall flat, but I think those are smart words to live by.